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Rumor Mill: Pizza place coming to old Carman’s? FALSE

EDITOR’S NOTE: This post has been updated at the end

Contrary to the hubbub around the closure of Carman’s Country Kitchen, there isn’t a pizza place coming into the corner after all.

Already some action. Too bad it means nothing

Carman said she was ousted after 22 years because the landlord wanted to make way for a “run-of-the-mill pizza place.” Irate commenters took to this website and others to rail against the prospective tenant and the dimwitted landlord. But somebody must have gotten their lines crossed.

Building owner John Angelis told us that he does not have a tenant lined up, and that Carman left because she didn’t want to pay $25 extra a month in rent. We tried getting in contact with Carman to confirm this, but haven’t had any luck (You know her? Send her our way).

On Thursday, Angelis was busy tearing out some of the old fixtures to get it ready for…?

He asked us to pass along some info to anyone who might be interested in renting the place for somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,500 a month. “There’s a lot of foot traffic on this corner,” he said.

Before the end

Angelis said he would like to see another restaurant come in, maybe a luncheonette. But since it’s right across the street from the state store, maybe a BYOB would be good? Of course, the place is tiny, so any new tenant would have to be creative.

If you know of anyone looking for space, or if you hear that Carman thinks we’re spouting off a bowl full of lies, tell them to email us at

UPDATE: After a little dispute over how and why Carman’s lease was ended, we checked back with Angelis. He said he had been issuing year-to-year leases for several years, each with $25 a month increases. At the beginning of this year, she refused an increase from $975 to $1,000, Angelis said, so he ended her lease.

The confusion about the pizza place may have stemmed from the fact that Angelis used to run one, but he told us he has no interest in doing that again. Also, Angelis noted that any new operator would have to start from scratch with all new equipment because all the old stuff has been thrown out.

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6 Responses to Rumor Mill: Pizza place coming to old Carman’s? FALSE

  1. Anonymous December 31, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

    A BYOB would be awesome as well as a total makeover to that horrific state store!!!

  2. Holly Moore December 31, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

    Carman has the letter the landlord sent her 4/2/12. Carman asked why he was not renewing her lease, he said he wanted to do a pizza place.

    Also Carman’s rent was $975. Is it believable that Carman would not pay an additional $25/month? That’s the profit from a couple of breakfasts a month.

    The $1500 or so being asked now is 50% rent increase. Maybe landlord wanted to find a tenant who would pay that much.

    Any perspective tenant should check with L&I before signing a lease. A new tenant could face potential licensing issues that had been grandfathered in for Carman. Would be nice for any landlord to have a new tenant come in and pay the cost to bring a property up to code.

    You might want to publish a correction as to whose “lines were crossed.”

  3. Albert Stumm December 31, 2012 at 7:17 pm #

    Thanks for the info, Holly. I’ll check in with him.

  4. David G January 2, 2013 at 3:33 pm #

    For what it’s worth, although the property is zoned CMX-1, which would not normally allow restaurant use, a nonconforming use as a restaurant would be allowed as long as the property doesn’t sit vacant for three years.

  5. Ian Toner January 4, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

    David G is a master of the CMX designations.

  6. Albert Stumm January 4, 2013 at 6:30 pm #

    All hail, the master, David G.!

    But seriously, we just stopped by and chatted with the landlord to check the place out, and it’s in really bad shape. Would have to be completely gutted. Angelis did say he would give the first three months rent free so a new tenant could get the place ready, so that’s something.

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