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Blatstein shooting for grocery store, movie theater & 1,000 parking spaces for Broad and Washington

RUMOR MILL UPDATE: What about the buzz about a Wegman’s coming to this development? Not going to happen.


The leasing agent working with developer Bart Blatstein on the proposed retail hub for Broad and Washington has released a wish list of sorts in the form of a leasing brochure. Particularly interesting is the inclusion of more than 1,000 parking spaces.

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The brochure displays what appears to be a 94-foot building that also includes a “cinema,” grocery store, four second-floor restaurants with terraces, a humongous gym with outdoor running track and about 20 retail spaces ranging from about 2,000 square feet to more than 100,000 square feet.

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The site, which is still pending approval for a one-season setting as the Philadelphia Arts Market, is still owned by New York-based Hudson Capital, but Blatstein has the land under agreement of sale.

So, folks, what do you think?

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95 Responses to Blatstein shooting for grocery store, movie theater & 1,000 parking spaces for Broad and Washington

  1. Aaron Bauman March 6, 2014 at 9:27 am #

    1,000 parking spaces rufkm?
    What a waste of space.

    • George C. March 6, 2014 at 6:39 pm #

      Correct. Blatstein just wants to make all those parking spots because he’s bored.

    • ProvWitout March 6, 2014 at 9:30 pm #

      Parking in South Philly is already extremely tight. And, the evil Parking Authority has used the steady improvement of South Philly neighborhoods to increasingly use it as a dollar mining operation. Writing tickets where nobody was ticketed before.. Yes. We can park in the middle of Broad Street most days down at the southern end of broad.. But that beats having residents and out of towers visiting our fair city from parking up on sidewalks and double parking…

      So no… Parking lots attached to a huge complex like this one, which will undoubtedly draw hundreds or thousands of people are anything but a waste… Its overcrowded with vehicles already. Why would we give the parking authority another gold mine neighborhood?

      • SamB March 7, 2014 at 12:20 pm #

        This is a block away from the subway and a short walk from the thousands of people most likely to use it on a regular basis. 1,000 parking spaces is a ridiculous amount. Keep in mind that creating so much parking will only encourage people to drive who would otherwise have gotten there using alternate means. In other words, this will actually add to traffic congestion making life more difficult for those who need to drive in the area.

  2. Ben Weber March 6, 2014 at 9:27 am #

    Looks like a giant retail fortress with 8 tractor-trailers, 5 loading trucks, and 3 dumpsters facing my community. Its a middle finger if I ever saw one. Don’t give me “the market can’t handle more residential” bull crap. I will be doing everything in my power to prevent this project from moving forward in its current form…

  3. AnthonyG March 6, 2014 at 9:34 am #

    @ Aaron, man you are right. WTF, One Thousand parking spaces??

  4. spf5000 March 6, 2014 at 9:41 am #

    Overall, it is a great mix of uses that will serve the community well. Let’s put the South Philly Food Coop in there! The cinema is a great idea. But, can the market even support 1,000 parking spaces? That seems grossly excessive in light if the decline of driving in the Delaware Valley. Also, how does that fleet of trucks get to the enormous loading dock on Carpenter Street? It is the best side for a dock, but how will the big trucks get there? Eight loading bays and 4 dumpsters/compactors is humongous!

    • spf5000 March 6, 2014 at 9:44 am #

      Not to mention the “smaller” 4bay loading/trash dock. Sheesh! Too much!

      • Lee March 6, 2014 at 10:24 am #

        While I think this leasing package leaves a lot to be desired, a commercial development of this size needs that many loading docks and trash bays.

        If people want these kinds of ammenities, they will have to put up with the ancillary support things that go with them (parking, traffic, and trash).

        Further, to pull down national chains to fill those spaces, we’ll need supporting customers from further away and to think that’ll all take the BSL is foolhardy.

        I’m sure when we see a proper proposal from Tower it will be more fleshed out…..

        • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 2:15 pm #

          Funny, but you see “these kinds of amenities” in D.C. where the entire parking is underground, and in NYC, where such amenities are urbanized and there are residential or office towers above them to boot; and certainly the urban environment of NYC isn’t assaulted by such a huge trash and loading dock either. And seriously, a 1,000-car garage?- Are we going to be getting stores at this location that attract patrons from around the region? Most people will be happy to walk or take public transit to this location. At most a 200-car underground parking should suffice.

        • SamB March 7, 2014 at 12:25 pm #

          It’s funny. The national chains that have been popping up all over in center city don’t seem to come with 1,000 dedicated parking spots and seem to be doing just fine. I know this intersection is a far cry from center city, but that much parking simply isn’t necessary. I agree that loading docks are necessary for this scale of development and hope that the final plan will at least try to minimize their impact.

          • lucho March 20, 2014 at 8:56 am #

            Not to belabor this point, but what WOULD you say is an acceptable number of spots. As a carless individual, I have no interest in the parking issue here however, what would we say is reasonable?

            # of spots/sqft of retail? This might be a worthwhile metric. Since its on a subway and bus route, reduce that ratio significantly. I’m not a retail planner so I don’t know what those ratios should be, but I know there is a ton of square footage being proposed here.

            Also, to a commenter above I think its absolutely absurd to think that “most” people will be happy to walk or take the subway here. Depending on the retail people will want to drive (i.e. large grocery shopping, household stuff, etc). If they can’t drive here they’ll just go to a place where they can “easily” park. There are just too many options for people to get to easily to think they’d prefer to walk to a neighborhood version of a store that likely exists somewhere else in the region.

    • Ben Weber March 6, 2014 at 9:49 am #

      They are proposing to totally destroy Carpenter St., also if you notice all of 13th st. is also one giant corridor from the loading dock to the smaller retail spaces…. Literally no active use on either of the two streets.

  5. Joe March 6, 2014 at 10:00 am #

    Yuck. There is already a gallery suffering… We don’t need another one smack in the middle of a gentrifying neighborhood. Kill this plan now.

  6. Neil March 6, 2014 at 10:20 am #

    Awful.
    Disgrace.
    Dropping what belongs in the Suburbs at the last huge, open empty lot in downtown?
    This should be a few huge (i.e. at minimum 30 stories) towers, with ground floor retail and a large outdoor space (i.e. Piazza, but taller).

    Gallery? Sucks.
    Riverview Theater? Sucks.
    Philly Sports Club? Sucks.

    Hey, I have a great idea – let’s combine all three of those!!! Because we use new marble, it will work much better!!!

    Ridiculous.

    Zoning board better come through on this and DENY THIS.

    Makes me wonder if he’s doing all this because he’s probably going to lose the Casino License to the Market8 group (and his pitch for it cost alot), so large, big-box retail with only 4 stories is the quickest, easiest way for him to get in and get out with a relatively large profit.

    • ProvWitout March 6, 2014 at 9:34 pm #

      I agree.. But if its going to get built. There better be spaces for all the people it attracts to park… But yes.. Its a wanna be suburb development. Great point.

      • ProvWitout March 6, 2014 at 9:35 pm #

        Back to the drawing board please…

  7. cigarnivore March 6, 2014 at 10:37 am #

    A lot of complaining… if you have better ideas, go get them funded. Nothing more than a bunch of complainers who would rather see an abandoned lot than progress.

    I have news for you, successful developers aren’t going to knock on your door and ask what you would like to see there. They develop based on what the area is lacking and what will make money. On a good day they might consider the aesthetics and how it fits in with the surrounding community, but for all the people who live in that immediate area and are complaining, i hope you complain as much when the value of your home goes up 20+%

    • Ben March 6, 2014 at 11:58 am #

      You’re totally right man, developers shouldn’t be accountable for what they build! Who cares what the people who live in a city think about what gets built there city? We should just be happy if they decide to wrap their huge box in a pretty material. People are soooo selfish wanting to improve the character, walkability, and safety of their neighborhood.

      • cigarnivore March 6, 2014 at 4:04 pm #

        “Character” is subjective. Walkability and safety certainly aren’t taking a hit with this project…

        Maybe it should be kept vacant permanently, you know, to represent the promise it holds.

        • lolyeahokay March 7, 2014 at 8:46 am #

          Thanks for your input, Blatstein!

      • ProvWitout March 7, 2014 at 12:31 pm #

        I wonder if there are going to be more or less shootings than at the movie theatre he built down on Delaware Ave… LoL

  8. jim March 6, 2014 at 10:37 am #

    Art Market idea was great, this is terrible

    • Albert Stumm March 6, 2014 at 10:46 am #

      Just to be clear, the Art Market is not dead. And it may still be on this lot for this summer, but that’s still up in the air.

  9. jim March 6, 2014 at 10:47 am #

    Is anyone organizing to stop or mitigate this disaster?

    • neighborhood advocate March 6, 2014 at 11:11 am #

      Yes Jim you can send an email to notinmybackyard@smallthinker.com.

      If they don’t get back to you, you could try Home Value Suppression Experts at their customer support email address: keepitlow@hvse.com

      • Ben March 6, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

        Yeah! or #StopAdvocatingToImprovePhiladelphia’sUrbanPlan #WhatMakesTheMostMoneyIsAlwaysTheBest #TargetNextToRowhomes #TheDeveloperIsAlwaysRight

        • neighborhood advocate March 6, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

          #hardtimeconveyingthoughtsbyparagraph #onemanmovement #latetothehashtaggame #Icoulddothisallday #shallIkeepgoing

    • Tim March 6, 2014 at 11:20 am #

      The Hawthorne Empowerment Coalition (the neighborhood’s RCO) is aware and involved. Something’s in the works for public discussion in April. Keep an eye on HECPhilly.org for details (and plenty of other neighborhood information).

  10. Bubba March 6, 2014 at 10:54 am #

    Not the best but better than the trash strewn eyesore of a lot that currently inhabits this corner.

    • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 1:38 pm #

      If all one strives for is to fill an empty lot, anything will do!

      No wonder then, that the Cascia Center at Broad/Ellsworth tore down buildings, put up an empty lot right at the entry to a Subway stop, and now are proposing to build a 1-floor double-wide tin shed at that prominent location that they’re proudly calling a “peace center”. To me, it sounds like an act of terrorism on the urban built environment of Phila.

      • ProvWitout March 7, 2014 at 12:36 pm #

        Peace Center… Such a bad idea.. To speak out against it people give you this look like you have a problem with peace… Kind of like when you’d like to hear Miss America contestants stop saying “World Peace”…

        But “Peace Center”.. I agree that it is a real let down. Its a lazy or nonexistent imagination that would come up with such a bland waste of prominent location…

  11. Joey DeVeetz March 6, 2014 at 11:22 am #

    Disappointing!

  12. Cassidi March 6, 2014 at 11:32 am #

    I can see why people are upset… But a Trader Joe’s would be awesome and maybe a movie theater like the Ritz would be awesome too! Anything is better then an empty lot full of trash.

    • Ben March 6, 2014 at 12:02 pm #

      There will be a Trader Joes somewhere in CC east within the next year, I don’t think they would put a third location here.

      • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 1:40 pm #

        Trader Joe’s doesn’t need such a large space. This ought to be a full-format grocery store, a la the Wegman’s in Cherry Hill… and yes, I know they’re not coming into this city.

        And no, not anything is better than an empty lot. An empty lot carries with it a potential to be something grand one day. That potential is quashed the very moment this plan gets approved. I like parts of the plan but over all it is quite disappointing.

        • Jillian March 6, 2014 at 5:29 pm #

          My dream come true would be a Fairway Market. I would put up with anything else to get a Fairway. NY gets all the good stuff!

  13. Joey DeVeetz March 6, 2014 at 11:36 am #

    Hey Albert any info on the adjacent lot that was supposed to be part of this develolment?

    • Albert Stumm March 6, 2014 at 11:37 am #

      It wasn’t mentioned in the brochure, so it’s unclear what the plans are.

  14. Aaron Weber March 6, 2014 at 12:09 pm #

    glad i didnt see any plans for trees, south philly hates trees

    • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 4:18 pm #

      apparently they come in the way of their downtown skyline views…! i kid you not, that was one of the excuses i heard in third person about why someone didn’t want free street trees!

    • ProvWitout March 7, 2014 at 12:44 pm #

      Being a South Philly lifer myself… I can’t understand it… Trees make a neighborhood such pleasant looking place. Tall enough trees also block out the sun so you don’t need to put ridiculous looking awnings on your windows… I can’t explain why South Philly hates its trees..

      9th & Wolf needs them bad!!! Walk around there on just an average summer day, not even the hottest of days, and you feel like you’re being cooked! LoL

      MORE TREES PLEASE!!!

  15. Tim March 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm #

    As a resident of the neighborhood, I’d welcome something better than a vacant, trash-strewn, lot here. I’d welcome a theater, gym, co-op or other community/environmentally -conscious grocery store, and shops. I’m concerned for the loading and trash across the street from Ridgeway Park and Swimming pool, but I guess Whole Foods on South has their loading right across from Seger Park, and that seems okay. Maybe Ridgeway can move it’s entrance to the north side of the fence? I’m also concerned for the parking, but if it’s inside and up (again, like Whole Foods and Superfresh on South), it may not be so bad. It’s better than clogging up our neighborhood’s streets.

    My personal dream line-up:
    South Philly Co-op or Trader Joe’s
    Sweat Gym, maybe with a pool? (but I’m biased as a member)
    Honey’s Sit N Eat (with their $4 bargain breakfast)
    A test kitchen or commissary
    Ritz style theater (little more in sync than Regal or UA with Ave of Arts)
    Rooftop garden with greenhouse
    More wide ranging ethnic food like Chinese (Han Dynasty), Cambodian (Khmer Kitchen), Ethiopian (Abyssinia), Greek (Opa), Israeli (Zahav). Indian (Tasah and Tiffin Bistro), Vietnamese (the plaza), Mexican (Quetzally, Taqueria, etc), and Italian (spots in and near the Italian Market) are already nearby.

    I also wouldn’t object to something like a Piazza South with open courtyard, retail, and residential space.

    Hey, a guy can dream, right?

    • Jillian March 6, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

      The Piazza South is a great marketing idea

      • Walter April 1, 2014 at 6:10 pm #

        I love the idea of The Piazza South… complete with an outdoor jumbo screen, mid to high-end restaurants, a gym, Trader Joe’s, smaller retail stores, etc.

    • ProvWitout March 6, 2014 at 9:42 pm #

      I’d like a gym with two huge basketball courts on the 2nd floor. With various 3 point lines.. So you can shoot from either the high school, college, or NBA 3 point arks. Every new basketball court built either inside or out still automatically gets built with a grade school or high school line scheme.. But these kids can shoot them shots without even jumping anymore.. Its almost like shooting a foul shot.. The new basketball facilities or renovated facilities (both inside and outdoor courts) should get with the times and have at least college length 3 point lines…

    • Mary March 11, 2014 at 9:04 pm #

      I really like this idea. We are frequently up at the piazza. Having an open courtyard with events would definitely bring more to the neighborhood.

  16. liam March 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm #

    if the theater isn’t an Alamo Drafthouse or a Movie Tavern then someone hasn’t done their homework cause either would kill there

    • Mary March 11, 2014 at 9:03 pm #

      Oh yes…. an Alamo Drafthouse would be perfect.

  17. JeffW March 6, 2014 at 1:18 pm #

    I remember when Blatstein presented his ideas for The Piazza to the Northern Liberties Neighbors Association. Some major modifications took place during those meetings. End result: Blatstein worked with the NLNA, even though he wasn’t legally obligated to do so, and the completed Piazza helped bring a lot of new businesses and people into the neighborhood. Based on what he’s done there, I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  18. Ben March 6, 2014 at 1:57 pm #

    A good start would be to move loading the lower level with a turning radius for large trucks (which is quite feasible). It might eliminate the parking there already, but I think 780 parking spaces is still plenty. This would also potentially eliminate the corridor on 13th st. and give the project more retail frontage (which would be good for the tenant!), This would also create more space on the ground for public space….

  19. Adam March 6, 2014 at 3:36 pm #

    Would those 1000 spaces ever all be used? That seems like too many by about 500. That spot is within walking distance of two subway stops and at least 8 bus routes. Are there structural issues with putting some of the parking or the loading below ground?

    • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 4:27 pm #

      Yes, it will be structurally unsound for the developer’s gigantic profit margin and his ego if he has to be told by local yokels that he can’t plop down a suburban-style development with huge garage in what his own marketing of the location says is a lot smack in the middle of the city! (not to mention on a subway line, and multiple north-south and east-west bus lines).

    • Ben March 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm #

      If you look at the plans there is a “lower level” with parking and retail. That is underground.

      • phillyaggie March 6, 2014 at 5:24 pm #

        umm the point was that *all* parking should be underground, thus freeing up surface and above ground space for more valuable uses. above-ground parking, that too of such size, shouldn’t be encouraged.

        • Ben March 7, 2014 at 10:21 am #

          Umm, I wasn’t responding to your point. Adam asked if there couldn’t be underground parking because of structural issues, I was merely pointing out that it was already proposed. It may not be ideal but there are very few developments in Philadelphia that have proposed any underground parking. If you look at Chicago almost all of their high rises have above ground parking. It is difficult for the Philadelphia market to justify 100% underground parking especially south of south. Though I would agree there is far too much parking proposed to begin with.

    • ProvWitout March 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm #

      The parking spots would all be used.. All them Packer Park people and Reserve people and Girard Estates people are going to want to frequent the fresh newly built amenities… They aren’t exactly the public transportation type sadly… Please.. Parking is needed. This can’t get done without handling parking in a smart way.

  20. enneirda March 6, 2014 at 3:49 pm #

    PLEASE someone make sure the facade does not look like a piece of crap!!! This is not Delaware ave.

    • ProvWitout March 6, 2014 at 9:45 pm #

      Agreed!!!

    • lolyeahokay March 7, 2014 at 8:51 am #

      I see you have not noticed any of the new buildings put up in this city in the past 5 years, so I hate to break it to you but I highly doubt you’ll get your wish on that one.

  21. Jamie March 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm #

    I am not sure if this is the best plan, but I would be happy to no longer walk by a trash filled lot everyday. I would also love to have a grocery store that is not the acme or whole foods in walking distance. I am surprised by some of the comments that say this will be ugly since the lot across the street is certainly not attractive and as I said before the lot is currently a garbage lined empty space. I literally walked by packages of rotting chicken for 2 weeks.

  22. sarah March 6, 2014 at 5:27 pm #

    I would love to see the art space come through and the addition of an urban farm project like Greensgrow in Fishtown. Desperate need for something more community based in South Philly.

    • Ben March 7, 2014 at 10:23 am #

      both great ideas! I think some local element would be great for the proposal, not just big chains!

      • ProvWitout March 10, 2014 at 1:33 pm #

        Yeah big chains are bland and inauthentic sometimes… Like… Olive Garden for example.. No true self respecting Italian from South Philly would go to the Olive Garden… Discraziad!! LoL

  23. cg March 6, 2014 at 6:14 pm #

    Sure are alot of naysayers. I’m sure some changes and alterations will happen once the community gets involved and begins working with Blatstein. But would we seriously rather hold on to an empty, trash strewn lot?

    • lolyeahokay March 7, 2014 at 8:52 am #

      This is a type of logical fallacy called a “false dichotomy”. There are many more things that could be done with that space; “install this development” and “leave an empty lot” are not even close to the only two options.

      • neighborhood advocate March 7, 2014 at 10:14 am #

        When you talk about “options” you’re talking about ideas, not plans. Who are all of the people coming forward with actionable “options”? I’ve heard one and it’s temporary. It’s been vacant for so long because of a lack of plans, not a shortage of ideas.

        It’s like selling your house. You can get an offer and decline it (of course risking that you never get another offer as good), or you can move forward with the sale for perhaps less than you had hoped, but at the end you have been able to move on and get on with your life.

        • ProvWitout March 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm #

          True.. But this is a city with a life of its own. And typically, cities outlive their residents and thrive on the successive generations.. This will have serious implications for the character, identity, and vibrancy of this area and its surrounding areas..

          Its more like a boob job… Right now its a flat chested piece of the greater body of South Philly.. Now the neighborhood and its doctor needs to decide how big the implantation should be… And,do we leave the nipples the same? Or are they too long and pointy.. Are the areolas oversized? Or do they need cosmetic work as well to make them look properly matched with the new implants..? All very important questions…

          I can’t believe I’m about to hit send on this…!

  24. Brian M. March 6, 2014 at 9:15 pm #

    Blatstein’s team needs to google Rollin Street Flats or Via6 to see how large scale mixed use is done right in a revitalizing neighborhood. He’s clearly not afraid of residential… so why no residential above this retail?? It is such a missed opportunity (both for Blatstein’s pockets and for the neighborhood). Those places I mention are the sorts of developments that end up luring people and jobs to cities like Seattle, away from Philly.

    • Ben March 7, 2014 at 10:26 am #

      Agreed! This project is begging for a residential component. I think that residences would also make the retail portions more sensitive to the type of neighborhood it is. Not that there aren’t 1000 reasons why a greater variety of use would benefit the project.

  25. Mike I March 6, 2014 at 9:17 pm #

    Love it!!! Anything added to that space is an improvement. Nothing will make everyone happy, but it will create jobs and give more reason to have decent people live in the area.

    • DecentPerson March 6, 2014 at 11:44 pm #

      I am a decent person and have lived and owned a home about one block from this property for 6 years. I live in a building filled with other decent people … Seems to me this will bring people to a neighborhood that has many decent and good people to begin with.

  26. Mark March 6, 2014 at 9:47 pm #

    I live 2 blocks away, and I can’t wait for something like this. Screw The Piazza, we need amenities not a hipster hangout with another PYT. This is a great location to put all the things that I have to leave the city or trek to the outskirts for. Grocery, Target, Movies…

    It’s almost 100 feet tall with street fronting retail and structured parking. Residential would be a nice addition, but the 500′ towers aren’t coming anytime soon, let’s get something functional that makes this area more walkable, but we’re not going to get grocery and movie theater without parking at this location, this seems to be a good way to handle it. Not to mention, if they’re building structured parking, I suspect it could be designed to function as a podium for a later residential phase. Of course, I reserve the right to complain if it looks like crap.

    • Brian M. March 6, 2014 at 10:19 pm #

      I agree that a 500ft tower isn’t happening here… but what about a 200ft tower, at least along the western half fronting Broad (keep the rooftop outdoor space). Dranoff gets it.. in his vision, Avenue of the Arts extends to Washington. He’s been backing it up, adding several hundred units along Broad in recent years. Residents here would enjoy great transportation, unbeatable amenities downstairs, walking distance to so Passyunk, Center City, etc… this would be a homerun.

      He’s aiming low, leaving profit and potential on the table.

  27. Scott March 6, 2014 at 10:07 pm #

    Trader Joe’s please.

    • Ben March 7, 2014 at 10:27 am #

      Trader joes is already happening in CC east.

    • ProvWitout March 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm #

      No suburban style big box chain joints that lack originality! This isn’t Delaware avenue..

  28. Chris March 7, 2014 at 12:09 am #

    This space for sure needs to be developed. I’ve been staring at that lot for 12 years. Development in that space will bring more commerce to our neighborhood, and if it’s done correctly, will truly bring Center City to Washington Avenue.

    My big concern with this project is that if Blatstein develops it, it will look like the junk in Northern Liberties. We are a vastly different neighborhood – and if he develops a concrete block jungle with retail stores in it, we are doomed.

    Go to Northern Liberties and walk through the apartments – they are dorm rooms. The design is recycled modern nonsense. (PS – when you use concrete – you end up with the Gallery).

    I don’t want to stop development of the parcel – but let’s demand that it’s a design that adds to the neighborhood, and allows for retail of local merchants at competitive rent per SF (I’d love to see a record store, local artisans, etc).

    And as far as grocery goes – I’m over the rotten food at SuperFresh on South and the prohibitive price points at Whole Foods. Bring on Shop Rite (yes, I said it).

    • Ben March 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm #

      Chris, by “junk” do you mean the internationally lauded Piazza? It has been published in various architectural magazine and has brought lots of good attention to Philadelphia.

  29. sowfilly March 7, 2014 at 9:49 am #

    I was excited when I heard Blatstein was going to build here. This is so, so disappointing. Piazza south or not, this at least needs more off-street outdoor space.

  30. Moreplease March 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm #

    PF Changs, Buffalo Wild Wings, Cheesecake Factory PLEEEEAAASE! :) I know its the city but sometimes these places hit the spot. Booomshakalaka!

    • ProvWitout March 8, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

      How come the first thing we reach for is a bunch of big chain restaurants and retailers? Have any of you been to Myrtle Beach? I kind of hate driving around down there.. If Wildwood used to be the cheap art deco hotel capital of the world.. Myrtle Beach might be the big unoriginal chain capital of the world..

      The suburbs suck!! They need to stop trying to infect the city with the things that make the suburbs so not-thrilling!

      • Lee March 9, 2014 at 2:15 pm #

        While I don’t share Mr. Morepleases’ affinity for the dreck that are PFC, BW3, and CF, I would posit that what makes the suburbs awful is the landscape, poor planning, and reliance on the auto; more so than the selection of businesses. The nice thing about the city is that it is dense and offers lots of options. I don’t see a problem having crappy chain restaurants around, heck we already do (there is a ruby tuesday, applebees, olive garden….etc already here). Its all about options and I wouldn’t turn away the tax revenue. I know I don’t like those places, but plenty of people do and they come into the city too.

        • ProvWitout March 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

          Touché…

  31. kfffff March 9, 2014 at 11:25 am #

    I was hoping for a mid to highrise mixed use residential/retail tower along broad and Washington with retail on the ground floor on both street and it would be nice if 13th would have row homes. The cinema would be nice. But the rest of the plan sort of sucks.

  32. Philly Ray March 10, 2014 at 2:31 pm #

    I just read on Twitter that Wegman’s is about to be on board for this.

    • AnthonyG March 10, 2014 at 3:04 pm #

      @ Ray, I also heard that. W E G M A N S!

    • Albert Stumm March 10, 2014 at 4:13 pm #

      I’m trying to find out about that right now. Sounds like a too good to be true rumor, but you never know

  33. spf5000 March 10, 2014 at 8:34 pm #

    Having a hard time imagining what large retailer would want a 2nd floor space with no street level presence. Are there any good examples?

    • Lee March 11, 2014 at 10:24 am #

      pratt st in baltimore used to have some interesting examples. haven’t been there in a while though.

    • zreese March 11, 2014 at 12:09 pm #

      All of the big stores in downtown Seattle come to mind. They seem to do pretty well and are either underground or stacked on top of other businesses.

    • Michael DeFla March 18, 2014 at 10:12 pm #

      Target, Best Buy, Bed Bath Beyond, and Marshall in Columbia heights in Washington dc. All second floor interior and do exceptionally well.

  34. RickEPA March 17, 2014 at 10:43 am #

    Potentially incredible development. The issue will be the massing of the complex without street level open space. This is a terrific opportunity to combine retail with attractively designed urban open space. The street level connection to street traffic and neighborhood walkers/bikers is critical for this kind of development. We’ve come a long way in urban design terms since the ill-fated Galleria. Even Liberty Place has little street level ambiance. How can we get BB to think in European passage terms or a take on the Time Warner Center (the central section)?

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